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Re: Job Opportunity: Box Services hiring a full-time Cocoa User Interface Developer, New York City
FROM : Mason Browne
DATE : Fri Mar 21 22:41:00 2008
But the drama! It's so exciting...
I was pleased to see Mike back up his previous accusation. Whether
this is the right place for such conversation... could be argued. If
it's considered acceptable practice to drop job openings on the list,
it should be acceptable for those with "special knowledge" to share
their thoughts. If Box truly is as Mike describes them, then he's
doing a great service by protecting his fellow Apple developers. If
Mike is wrong, then Box can take it up with him through legal action,
and we'll have all been reminded that places like this do exist, and
we would be wise enough to be wary of them.
If nothing else, it's fun to see a heated discussion during an
otherwise monotonous week. =)
He'p da peeps!
Mase
On Mar 21, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Eric Peyton wrote:
> This is absolutely not the correct place for a diatribe like this.
> You have made your points (more than clearly) and Marc has made his
> points as well. Now it is up to those who want to follow up with
> Box Services to take your points into consideration (if they deem
> them worthwhile).
>
> Now please - take this off the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
> On Mar 21, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Mike wrote:
>> All the spin in the world will not change facts.
>>
>> My TWO phone interviews were in Oct. 2006 so that was after you
>> became manager. After the second "interview" it became clear to me
>> that your company has no interest in hiring a seasoned 16+ year Mac
>> veteran and author of 18 successful commercial Mac products. If
>> those qualifications are not good enough, then your goal is
>> obviously something other than hiring the best.
>>
>> The fact is, like so many companies today, you run a cheap imported
>> labor sweat shop and when your cheap, inexperienced, third-world
>> programmers can't do the job, you "interview" people like me to get
>> the knowledge you need to give to your people who can't otherwise
>> do the work. Your compatriot, Tenzen Wild informed me the two
>> "programmers" the candidate would be working with where imported
>> from China with little experience.
>>
>> Any company which conducts exploitative interviews is committing
>> fraud and fraud is a criminal act. Criminal and "legitimate" do not
>> go together.
>>
>> You claim to have hired "4 full-time Mac developers". Will you
>> please tell the list their names, nationalities, and how we can
>> contact them? Put your money where your mouth is and prove it to
>> us. I am willing to wager $1000 that at least 3 of them are
>> imported cheap-labor foreign nationals. Do you have the guts to
>> accept a $1000 bet? In fact, I have notified DHS, ICE, BCIS and the
>> FBI that you are conducting visa fraud because you are pretending
>> to hire Americans, when in fact you are doin the opposite. Do you
>> think we are all stupid?
>>
>> I see that you yourself are from Belgium. One can hardly imagine a
>> more America-hating socialist European nation than that.
>>
>> I don't doubt your work has been on the covers of major fashion
>> magazines - it's not surprising given the corrupt nature of the
>> fashion industry. Just because you are successful does not mean you
>> are honest.
>>
>> I would warn all serious American Mac developers to stay as far
>> away from Box as possible because they have no intention of hiring
>> you. They only want to gain your knowledge for free and give it to
>> their cheap imported programmers who are incompetent.
>>
>> This is the age of exploitative interviews. And Box is the master
>> of that.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Marc Van Olmen wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> I was shocked to see Mike Amorose's response to my job post on
>>> this list today. Box Services, LLC, the company that I work for,
>>> is indeed a legitimate company. Box Services, LLC has a
>>> workforce of about 70 people and is a leader in the fashion
>>> photography industry. Their work is on the front page of almost
>>> every major fashion magazine like Vogue, etc. The photographers
>>> they work with are considered to be in the top 100.
>>> I joined the company after Mike's interview so I can't comment on
>>> what happened. The only thing I can say is that I'm sorry that he
>>> had such a bad experience. Since I became the manager of the
>>> software department at Box Services LLC two years ago, we have
>>> hired four full-time Mac developers and 2 freelancers. I feel
>>> strongly that the knowledge in our team is high. The person that
>>> will join us will have the opportunity to learn a lot from this
>>> talented team about topics including: CoreImage, OpenGL, OpenGL
>>> Shader Language, Graphical User Interface design and development,
>>> and advanced server client technology.
>>> If anyone has any more doubts or comments please respect list
>>> etiquette and email me directly.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Marc Van Olmen
>>> Senior Software Architect
>>> Box Services LLC
>>> 412W 14th Street,
>>> New York, NY 10014
>>> http://www.boxwork.com
>>> http://www.boxstudios.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> MacOSX-dev mailing list
>>> <email_removed>
>>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev
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>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev
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DATE : Fri Mar 21 22:41:00 2008
But the drama! It's so exciting...
I was pleased to see Mike back up his previous accusation. Whether
this is the right place for such conversation... could be argued. If
it's considered acceptable practice to drop job openings on the list,
it should be acceptable for those with "special knowledge" to share
their thoughts. If Box truly is as Mike describes them, then he's
doing a great service by protecting his fellow Apple developers. If
Mike is wrong, then Box can take it up with him through legal action,
and we'll have all been reminded that places like this do exist, and
we would be wise enough to be wary of them.
If nothing else, it's fun to see a heated discussion during an
otherwise monotonous week. =)
He'p da peeps!
Mase
On Mar 21, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Eric Peyton wrote:
> This is absolutely not the correct place for a diatribe like this.
> You have made your points (more than clearly) and Marc has made his
> points as well. Now it is up to those who want to follow up with
> Box Services to take your points into consideration (if they deem
> them worthwhile).
>
> Now please - take this off the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
> On Mar 21, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Mike wrote:
>> All the spin in the world will not change facts.
>>
>> My TWO phone interviews were in Oct. 2006 so that was after you
>> became manager. After the second "interview" it became clear to me
>> that your company has no interest in hiring a seasoned 16+ year Mac
>> veteran and author of 18 successful commercial Mac products. If
>> those qualifications are not good enough, then your goal is
>> obviously something other than hiring the best.
>>
>> The fact is, like so many companies today, you run a cheap imported
>> labor sweat shop and when your cheap, inexperienced, third-world
>> programmers can't do the job, you "interview" people like me to get
>> the knowledge you need to give to your people who can't otherwise
>> do the work. Your compatriot, Tenzen Wild informed me the two
>> "programmers" the candidate would be working with where imported
>> from China with little experience.
>>
>> Any company which conducts exploitative interviews is committing
>> fraud and fraud is a criminal act. Criminal and "legitimate" do not
>> go together.
>>
>> You claim to have hired "4 full-time Mac developers". Will you
>> please tell the list their names, nationalities, and how we can
>> contact them? Put your money where your mouth is and prove it to
>> us. I am willing to wager $1000 that at least 3 of them are
>> imported cheap-labor foreign nationals. Do you have the guts to
>> accept a $1000 bet? In fact, I have notified DHS, ICE, BCIS and the
>> FBI that you are conducting visa fraud because you are pretending
>> to hire Americans, when in fact you are doin the opposite. Do you
>> think we are all stupid?
>>
>> I see that you yourself are from Belgium. One can hardly imagine a
>> more America-hating socialist European nation than that.
>>
>> I don't doubt your work has been on the covers of major fashion
>> magazines - it's not surprising given the corrupt nature of the
>> fashion industry. Just because you are successful does not mean you
>> are honest.
>>
>> I would warn all serious American Mac developers to stay as far
>> away from Box as possible because they have no intention of hiring
>> you. They only want to gain your knowledge for free and give it to
>> their cheap imported programmers who are incompetent.
>>
>> This is the age of exploitative interviews. And Box is the master
>> of that.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Marc Van Olmen wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> I was shocked to see Mike Amorose's response to my job post on
>>> this list today. Box Services, LLC, the company that I work for,
>>> is indeed a legitimate company. Box Services, LLC has a
>>> workforce of about 70 people and is a leader in the fashion
>>> photography industry. Their work is on the front page of almost
>>> every major fashion magazine like Vogue, etc. The photographers
>>> they work with are considered to be in the top 100.
>>> I joined the company after Mike's interview so I can't comment on
>>> what happened. The only thing I can say is that I'm sorry that he
>>> had such a bad experience. Since I became the manager of the
>>> software department at Box Services LLC two years ago, we have
>>> hired four full-time Mac developers and 2 freelancers. I feel
>>> strongly that the knowledge in our team is high. The person that
>>> will join us will have the opportunity to learn a lot from this
>>> talented team about topics including: CoreImage, OpenGL, OpenGL
>>> Shader Language, Graphical User Interface design and development,
>>> and advanced server client technology.
>>> If anyone has any more doubts or comments please respect list
>>> etiquette and email me directly.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Marc Van Olmen
>>> Senior Software Architect
>>> Box Services LLC
>>> 412W 14th Street,
>>> New York, NY 10014
>>> http://www.boxwork.com
>>> http://www.boxstudios.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> MacOSX-dev mailing list
>>> <email_removed>
>>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev
>> _______________________________________________
>> MacOSX-dev mailing list
>> <email_removed>
>> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev
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