FROM : Scott Ellsworth
DATE : Fri Apr 08 21:46:16 2005
On Apr 8, 2005, at 2:50 AM, Paul Szego wrote:
> And there is no need to force such constraints onto developers.
> It's bad design of the framework. It's already widely accepted to
> be a key selection criteria for persistence frameworks in other
> development environments, and most often solutions that force this
> approach on the developer are dismissed out of hand for anything
> but the most trivial of applications.
I disagree.
We use several persistence frameworks that require this, and have
just not found it a big deal. We also have done experiments with
toolsets like hibernate that do not require such extension, and have
not found it terribly freeing. Sure, there is some benefit, but not
nearly the amount you are making it out to be.
Our own framework (in Java) uses interfaces that must be implemented,
but this has many of the same problems. Personally, I find
augmentation with composition cleaner in theory, but this has not
translated to a lot of benefit in actual use.
Scott
DATE : Fri Apr 08 21:46:16 2005
On Apr 8, 2005, at 2:50 AM, Paul Szego wrote:
> And there is no need to force such constraints onto developers.
> It's bad design of the framework. It's already widely accepted to
> be a key selection criteria for persistence frameworks in other
> development environments, and most often solutions that force this
> approach on the developer are dismissed out of hand for anything
> but the most trivial of applications.
I disagree.
We use several persistence frameworks that require this, and have
just not found it a big deal. We also have done experiments with
toolsets like hibernate that do not require such extension, and have
not found it terribly freeing. Sure, there is some benefit, but not
nearly the amount you are making it out to be.
Our own framework (in Java) uses interfaces that must be implemented,
but this has many of the same problems. Personally, I find
augmentation with composition cleaner in theory, but this has not
translated to a lot of benefit in actual use.
Scott
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