Re: Help me please to find a job in Cocoa

FROM : Michael Latta
DATE : Tue Dec 17 21:59:54 2002

That said, it has also been my experience that a skilled programmer can
always find work.  The issue is what kind, and at what rate.  The
higher the rate the longer it takes to find, the more selective the
type of job the longer it takes to find.  But there are always jobs out
there.  With such a wide spread of programmer abilities there are
always programmers that are more marginal that can be replaced with a
more senior person at little additional cost.

For those just out of school, I would advise taking any kind of
programming job first.  Once you have experience on the job, look for
those in the organization that are the best at what they do.  Learn
from them, and work the contacts you find at conferences and during the
course of your work.  Go to the developer conference and make contacts
there.  You need to do your own sales and marketing to get that special
job, but the first job is not the place to be overly picky.  Once you
are in a company you can start to stand out from the crowd.

Michael Latta



On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 12:18  PM, Hasan Diwan wrote:

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>     Finding work in cocoa is a problem. It's not restricted to Cocoa
> either, nor is it restricted to the United States. Take heart that
> this downturn will not last forever. As I see it, technology was built
> out in preparation for Y2k and when y2k occured, the people didn't
> panic, there weren't runs on banks, the power grid didn't fail, etc.
> Companies had built in extra capacity to handle traffic which just
> wasn't there. Additionally, lots of their existing traffic went away
> with the subsequent dot-com meltdown.
>     Result: there's lots of technological infrastructure that isn't used.
> People who were burnt lending money to dubious businesses are not
> going to do it again very soon. Someone from Worldcom mentioned that
> they are using 12% of their pipes at peak usage. The only way
> companies are going to be hiring is if they need to expand. Well,
> right now, they aren't using what they have, so why should they do > so?o
> On 2002-12-17 06:54:05 -0800 matt neuburg <<email_removed>> wrote:
>> The last time this topic arose (which seems to be every month or
>> two), I picked out one of the posters and asked him if he was
>> sincerely looking for work; he said that he was, so I offered him a
>> job. (In fact, I offered him *my* job - I've been making a very
>> decent living with Cocoa for the past several months.) He suddenly
>> started acting like this was a suspicious thing to do, and didn't
>> take it. So, one key to finding a job is to take it when it's >> offered.
>> Also, this person's subsequent whining and insults made it clear to
>> me and my employers that he wouldn't have made a good member of the
>> team. Which brings up another point, that the key here is "team". To
>> do software work, you have to be willing to deal with clients who are
>> not programmers and can't describe adequately what they want and keep
>> changing their minds, and yet you must deliver it anyway. It seems to
>> me that if you're willing to be reasonably adaptable and vaguely
>> polite, and have good communications skills, finding work in Cocoa
>> shouldn't be any problem. If you're someone who says "yes" to
>> everything the client asks you to do, and delivers, they'll want you
>> back again and again. If you whine at what an idiot you think they
>> are, they won't. The skills people really need in order to get work
>> aren't CS or Cocoa skills, they're people skills. m.
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