Re: Checkbox group box (was Re: Coloring NSBox background?)

FROM : Clark S. Cox III
DATE : Sat Nov 23 21:36:15 2002

On Saturday, Nov 23, 2002, at 15:11 US/Eastern, Chris Ridd wrote:

> On 23/11/02 8:03 pm, Clark S. Cox III <<email_removed>> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Saturday, Nov 23, 2002, at 14:47 US/Eastern, Chris Ridd wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/11/02 7:35 pm, Dustin Voss <<email_removed>> wrote:
>>>> There's a Carbon control which is a group box similar to NSBox,
>>>> except
>>>> that the title has a checkbox beside it, so you can activate or
>>>> deactivate the box as a whole. Very useful. I think that's what
>>>> Steve
>>>> is talking about.
>>>
>>> It was. (Steve confirmed this off-list.)
>>>
>>> I just checked in the HIG and Apple discourages having group boxes
>>> that are
>>> also buttons - see pages 149 to 152.
>>
>> I don't see anywhere in that page range that they discourage using
>> check boxes or popup menus as the title of a group box, in fact, at
>> the
>> bottom of page 149, it says "Group boxes can be untitled or titled.
>> Titles can be static text, a checkbox label, or text in a pop-up
>> menu".
>
> Perhaps I read too much into "use additional space between controls to
> create groups of controls, rather than group boxes. [...]  The
> following figures show examples of how to successfully re-create
> dialogs
> using space rather than group boxes."
>
> Figure 8-3 is an example where before has a button in the box title,
> and the
> after doesn't.
>
> Maybe they do allow them after all.

   Yeah, I think the thing that they are actually discouraging there is
the use of group boxes at all, when there is a less dramatic way of
grouping items available. That is, the message I take away from that
section is that group boxes should be used sparingly, because all three
figures in that section actually show how to avoid using group boxes.
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