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Re: Close button on Single Window Utilities
FROM : Charles Srstka
DATE : Wed Nov 20 19:16:12 2002
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 07:30 AM, <email_removed> wrote:
> On my G4 with 256mb RAM, it takes longer to page it back in than it
> does to
> launch it. Not to mention I don't feell the need to change system
> settings
> every 5 minutes...
I go in there quite often - to start or stop the Classic environment,
to switch my sound output device between the speakers and headphones,
to check Software Update for updates, etc.
And on my G4, it comes up *much* faster if it's already loaded.
> The problem here is the pros and cons of leaving apps open -- you
> wouldn't want
> to use the application with the window not open, would you? You say
> you want to
> have the window come back when you click on the app's icon... Do you
> really
> want the entire application cluttering up your VM if you're not
> definitely
> going to use it later?
The whole advantage of having an advanced VM system in Mac OS X is so
we can do things like this. Quitting apps all the time and then waiting
for them to launch when you want them again is *so* Mac OS 9.
And sometimes, you *do* want to use an app with its windows closed -
look at iCal, for instance. It only updates its Dock icon with the
correct date if it's running - but you can't leave it running without
its window cluttering things up. Thank God Mail.app doesn't work that
way...
> Let's not get into a discussion about the Dock, that's already been
> beaten to death, but I think it makes more sense to keep the app open
> with the window minimized (then it would pop back when you click on
> the icon, right?), or hide the app, if you need it to stay open.
Minimizing takes up a space in your Dock, and takes some time to genie
in and out of the Dock. Hiding works, but is much less convenient, and
causes the app to display again if you accidentally command-tab to the
wrong app.
Basically, I agree with the sentiment that Manfred Schubert has
recently posted on the topic - with the current behavior, the system is
flexible enough that users can choose which way they want it to work.
When apps start automatically quitting when you close their last open
window, this flexibility is taken away from the user.
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DATE : Wed Nov 20 19:16:12 2002
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 07:30 AM, <email_removed> wrote:
> On my G4 with 256mb RAM, it takes longer to page it back in than it
> does to
> launch it. Not to mention I don't feell the need to change system
> settings
> every 5 minutes...
I go in there quite often - to start or stop the Classic environment,
to switch my sound output device between the speakers and headphones,
to check Software Update for updates, etc.
And on my G4, it comes up *much* faster if it's already loaded.
> The problem here is the pros and cons of leaving apps open -- you
> wouldn't want
> to use the application with the window not open, would you? You say
> you want to
> have the window come back when you click on the app's icon... Do you
> really
> want the entire application cluttering up your VM if you're not
> definitely
> going to use it later?
The whole advantage of having an advanced VM system in Mac OS X is so
we can do things like this. Quitting apps all the time and then waiting
for them to launch when you want them again is *so* Mac OS 9.
And sometimes, you *do* want to use an app with its windows closed -
look at iCal, for instance. It only updates its Dock icon with the
correct date if it's running - but you can't leave it running without
its window cluttering things up. Thank God Mail.app doesn't work that
way...
> Let's not get into a discussion about the Dock, that's already been
> beaten to death, but I think it makes more sense to keep the app open
> with the window minimized (then it would pop back when you click on
> the icon, right?), or hide the app, if you need it to stay open.
Minimizing takes up a space in your Dock, and takes some time to genie
in and out of the Dock. Hiding works, but is much less convenient, and
causes the app to display again if you accidentally command-tab to the
wrong app.
Basically, I agree with the sentiment that Manfred Schubert has
recently posted on the topic - with the current behavior, the system is
flexible enough that users can choose which way they want it to work.
When apps start automatically quitting when you close their last open
window, this flexibility is taken away from the user.
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