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Re: Helvetica - International Systems?
FROM : Philip George
DATE : Mon Nov 18 06:17:00 2002
Hmmm... I'm not so sure....
I found several places last night where there are copyright symbols
next to the Helvetica font:
- When you "Show Info" on "Helvetica.dfont" in the Finder
- On the Apple website
- On the Linotype website
The only one that's in "Show Info" that I couldn't find on the
respective website is Type Solutions Inc. There's no mention of
Helvetica on their website, but they show partial copyright ownership
in the "Show Info" window. Not sure what's up with that.
I don't mean to be contrary. I'm just pointing out what I've seen so
far. If I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, I apologize.
By the way, I totally polished that code using Rosyna's suggestion for
loading a font directly from a font suitcase that's not located in one
of the typical font repositories (FMActivateFonts()) (and thanks,
Rosyna). It works really, really well. Now my app is completely
impervious to people yanking Helvetica out of their Fonts folders,
which is admittedly rare, but nonetheless possible. Probably the
highest probability for this would be if someone was using a font
management app and disabled Helvetica temporarily for some reason.
That's not so unheard of.
For clarification, this app has REALLY tight margins in a few spots
where the font had to be very carefully chosen/sized/positioned. Just
letting any old font take its place may or may not work (usually not).
That's why I'm so nervous about it not being there. And now that the
code is written and streamlined, I'm finding it extra hard to comment
it out.
Anyway, if someone at Apple is listening in on this, please feel free
to chime in.
- Philip
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 07:25 AM, Clark S. Cox III wrote:
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> On Sunday, Nov 17, 2002, at 18:22 US/Eastern, Jeremy Erwin wrote:
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>> On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 09:00 AM, Philip George wrote:
>>> If not, what are the legal implications of including Helvetica with
>>> my shareware? Can I do that, since it comes with Mac OS X anyway?
>>> Will Adobe pounce on me? Do I have to pay someone something to be
>>> able to do that?
>> Why would Adobe have a problem with this? Apple and Linotype AG own
>> the copyright.
>
> Just a little nit-pick: Fonts cannot be copyrighted; their names can
> be trademarked, but they cannot be copyrighted.
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DATE : Mon Nov 18 06:17:00 2002
Hmmm... I'm not so sure....
I found several places last night where there are copyright symbols
next to the Helvetica font:
- When you "Show Info" on "Helvetica.dfont" in the Finder
- On the Apple website
- On the Linotype website
The only one that's in "Show Info" that I couldn't find on the
respective website is Type Solutions Inc. There's no mention of
Helvetica on their website, but they show partial copyright ownership
in the "Show Info" window. Not sure what's up with that.
I don't mean to be contrary. I'm just pointing out what I've seen so
far. If I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say, I apologize.
By the way, I totally polished that code using Rosyna's suggestion for
loading a font directly from a font suitcase that's not located in one
of the typical font repositories (FMActivateFonts()) (and thanks,
Rosyna). It works really, really well. Now my app is completely
impervious to people yanking Helvetica out of their Fonts folders,
which is admittedly rare, but nonetheless possible. Probably the
highest probability for this would be if someone was using a font
management app and disabled Helvetica temporarily for some reason.
That's not so unheard of.
For clarification, this app has REALLY tight margins in a few spots
where the font had to be very carefully chosen/sized/positioned. Just
letting any old font take its place may or may not work (usually not).
That's why I'm so nervous about it not being there. And now that the
code is written and streamlined, I'm finding it extra hard to comment
it out.
Anyway, if someone at Apple is listening in on this, please feel free
to chime in.
- Philip
On Monday, November 18, 2002, at 07:25 AM, Clark S. Cox III wrote:
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> On Sunday, Nov 17, 2002, at 18:22 US/Eastern, Jeremy Erwin wrote:
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>>
>> On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 09:00 AM, Philip George wrote:
>>> If not, what are the legal implications of including Helvetica with
>>> my shareware? Can I do that, since it comes with Mac OS X anyway?
>>> Will Adobe pounce on me? Do I have to pay someone something to be
>>> able to do that?
>> Why would Adobe have a problem with this? Apple and Linotype AG own
>> the copyright.
>
> Just a little nit-pick: Fonts cannot be copyrighted; their names can
> be trademarked, but they cannot be copyrighted.
>
>
>
> - -- http://homepage.mac.com/clarkcox3/
> <email_removed>
> Clark S. Cox, III
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