Re: [OT] jobs?

FROM : ian
DATE : Sat Nov 16 20:10:02 2002

same, i work for a mainly macintosh firm, and they really had no clue they
could use it...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Carss" <<email_removed>>
To: "cocoa-dev" <<email_removed>>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] jobs?


> I have a job at Bristol University in the UK doing Cocoa - it makes me
> feel quite guilty when I read this list because I'm learning on the
> job, and there are obviously a lot of extremely proficient Cocoa
> programmers here. The reason I mention it though, is that the job
> wasn't advertised as a Cocoa post, my employers hadn't even heard of
> Cocoa. The position called for a lot of work with video, and
> accessibility  in terms of interface was paramount. I managed to
> convince them in the interview (thanks to a few deft demonstrations of
> Apple sample code) that Cocoa was the way to go. They thought they were
> going to have to employ 2-3 C++ programmers for 2 years to achieve what
> I have in 4 months. I still worry about my next position though...
>
> Pete
>
> On Saturday, Nov 16, 2002, at 07:59 Europe/London, Sherm Pendley wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, November 16, 2002, at 12:15 AM, Glenn Howes wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>    I know this is tangential to Cocoa programming, but where exactly
> >> do people find employment doing Cocoa programming?
> >
> > I wish I knew. :-(
> >
> >> Aren't there supposed to be people doing bioinformatics work on
> >> PowerMacs?
> >
> > Yes, but that has very little to do with Cocoa. Most of the tools
> > they're using are command-line and/or X11 apps, and the folks that are
> > using them aren't, for the most part, terribly picky about interface
> > usability. (If you're used to using CDE, it can hardly get worse...)
> > So, not a lot of Cocoa front-ends are being written for that stuff.
> >
> >>    I made a conscious decision to learn Objective-C and Cocoa this
> >> year, and I think I've gotten fairly adept, but it isn't helping me
> >> get a job. It's looking more and more like I should have taken up C#
> >> or at least updated my Java skills. I like the Cocoa environment, and
> >> would love a job working in it, but the market seems to be saying
> >> otherwise.
> >
> > I hate to say it, but I agree with you. There aren't many jobs out
> > there - and we're competing with 15-year NeXT veterans for those. It's
> > discouraging.
> >
> > The truth is, though, I'd rather retrain and become a chef than
> > support MS in any way. Seriously.
> >
> > sherm--
> >
> > If you listen to a UNIX shell, can you hear the C?
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