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Re: How viable is Cocoa development?
FROM : John Blackburn
DATE : Sat Jan 26 00:13:26 2002
Just because Apple uses something in one of their signature applications
doesn't mean it *must* appear in Cocoa as well. There's a difference
between what's generally useful, like System-standard controls, and
what's narrowly useful, like iPhoto's controls. Cocoa would be
cluttered unnecessarily were Apple to include everything it uses in its
own applications.
And surely mature, rather than monthly, updates to Cocoa are
preferable. Quality over quantity any day.
j o h n
On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 02:45 PM, Steve Gehrman wrote:
>> Actually, Apple is doing a *lot* of Cocoa development. Come and
>> hear about it at WWDC ;-)
>
> Apple does Cocoa development, but the additional interface widgets and
> bug fixes they add to Cocoa have not been released to third party
> developers. We should be seeing new versions of Cocoa on a monthly
> schedule, every 6 months to a year isn't going to cut it. My
> development is extremely hampered by either Cocoa bugs or lack of
> features. Look at the NSToolbar, or NSBrowser, they both need serious
> subclassing to be included in a professional product.
>
> Look at iPhoto. Every button they use is non standard Cocoa, why can't
> I have access to those buttons. Why can't I have brushed steel windows?
>
> Also I doubt iPhoto is using NSImageView to draw it's images. The
> built in jpg/tiff imaging engines are very slow, too slow to create
> something like iPhoto. Why don't we have access to this imaging code.
>
> I still love Cocoa, but developer need more, and they need it now.
> Cocoa is still beta in some respects. New objects should be
> continually released and old ones should be continually enhanced.
>
> --
> Steve Gehrman
> CocoaTech
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DATE : Sat Jan 26 00:13:26 2002
Just because Apple uses something in one of their signature applications
doesn't mean it *must* appear in Cocoa as well. There's a difference
between what's generally useful, like System-standard controls, and
what's narrowly useful, like iPhoto's controls. Cocoa would be
cluttered unnecessarily were Apple to include everything it uses in its
own applications.
And surely mature, rather than monthly, updates to Cocoa are
preferable. Quality over quantity any day.
j o h n
On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 02:45 PM, Steve Gehrman wrote:
>> Actually, Apple is doing a *lot* of Cocoa development. Come and
>> hear about it at WWDC ;-)
>
> Apple does Cocoa development, but the additional interface widgets and
> bug fixes they add to Cocoa have not been released to third party
> developers. We should be seeing new versions of Cocoa on a monthly
> schedule, every 6 months to a year isn't going to cut it. My
> development is extremely hampered by either Cocoa bugs or lack of
> features. Look at the NSToolbar, or NSBrowser, they both need serious
> subclassing to be included in a professional product.
>
> Look at iPhoto. Every button they use is non standard Cocoa, why can't
> I have access to those buttons. Why can't I have brushed steel windows?
>
> Also I doubt iPhoto is using NSImageView to draw it's images. The
> built in jpg/tiff imaging engines are very slow, too slow to create
> something like iPhoto. Why don't we have access to this imaging code.
>
> I still love Cocoa, but developer need more, and they need it now.
> Cocoa is still beta in some respects. New objects should be
> continually released and old ones should be continually enhanced.
>
> --
> Steve Gehrman
> CocoaTech
> <email_removed>
> http://www.cocoatech.com
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