Advice re: "Rough-Cuts" version of "Cocoa Design Patterns"

  • Addison-Wesley, the publisher of “Cocoa Design Patterns”, has a “Rough-Cuts” program.  “Rough-Cuts” allows you to buy early access to a book in PDF format while the book is still being developed and then entitles you to download the final PDF version as well.  You can read pre-release versions and provide feedback on the content.  As the author, I can then respond to the feedback by clarifying information, adding more information, or just answering questions. http://support.safaribooksonline.com/display/1/articleDirect/index.asp?aid=
    1101&r=0.2662928

      The publisher sent me a contract amendment requesting that I allow sales of the book through  the “Rough-Cuts” program.  Before I sign the amendment, I would like some advice from this forum.
      “Cocoa Programming” is available in PDF format, but not many electronic copies have been sold.  People seem to vastly prefer the printed version.  _I_ use the electronic version all the time because I can search it, etc.
      Is there any interest in the PDF format pre-release version of “Cocoa Design Patterns” ?
      Is anyone interested in providing feedback that I can use to improve the book ?

    The  “Rough-Cuts” program could help me produce a better book in the end.  On the other hand, providing early access to the content could prove embarrassing.  I would hate to make glaring mistakes in public (like I undoubtedly have before) - Grin.  If you were me, would you allow the book to be released through “Rough-Cuts” ?
  • I would be quite interested as there are so very few NEW cocoa books
    out. I think that due to the limited quantity of up-to-date cocoa
    programming books, a rough-cuts book would do better than others have
    in the past.

    Mike Gregoire

    On Jan 14, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Erik Buck wrote:

    > Addison-Wesley, the publisher of “Cocoa Design Patterns”, has a
    > “Rough-Cuts” program.  “Rough-Cuts” allows you to buy early access
    > to a book in PDF format while the book is still being developed and
    > then entitles you to download the final PDF version as well.  You
    > can read pre-release versions and provide feedback on the content.
    > As the author, I can then respond to the feedback by clarifying
    > information, adding more information, or just answering questions. http://support.safaribooksonline.com/display/1/articleDirect/index.asp?aid=
    1101&r=0.2662928

    > The publisher sent me a contract amendment requesting that I allow
    > sales of the book through  the “Rough-Cuts” program.  Before I sign
    > the amendment, I would like some advice from this forum.
    > “Cocoa Programming” is available in PDF format, but not many
    > electronic copies have been sold.  People seem to vastly prefer the
    > printed version.  _I_ use the electronic version all the time
    > because I can search it, etc.
    > Is there any interest in the PDF format pre-release version of
    > “Cocoa Design Patterns” ?
    > Is anyone interested in providing feedback that I can use to
    > improve the book ?
    >
    > The  “Rough-Cuts” program could help me produce a better book in the
    > end.  On the other hand, providing early access to the content could
    > prove embarrassing.  I would hate to make glaring mistakes in public
    > (like I undoubtedly have before) - Grin.  If you were me, would you
    > allow the book to be released through “Rough-Cuts” ?
    >
  • I don't know what I would do in your place Erik but as a Developer I
    would love to have some of the books in PDF format for the exact same
    reason you do... So I can search them easily.  I also feel that
    electronic distribution is going to be the future of written material
    much like the record and movie industries are learning now.  Is there
    any kind of protection within the PDF or the mechanism to protect your
    rights?  Keeping people from changing it is one aspect and the other
    is of course the harder one which is protecting it from just being
    distributed for free with no compensation to you.

    Anyways... If you do decide to go ahead with this I will be one of the
    people that will buy the early access.

    Thanks
    Mike

    On Jan 14, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Erik Buck wrote:

    > Addison-Wesley, the publisher of “Cocoa Design Patterns”, has a
    > “Rough-Cuts” program.  “Rough-Cuts” allows you to buy early access
    > to a book in PDF format while the book is still being developed and
    > then entitles you to download the final PDF version as well.  You
    > can read pre-release versions and provide feedback on the content.
    > As the author, I can then respond to the feedback by clarifying
    > information, adding more information, or just answering questions. http://support.safaribooksonline.com/display/1/articleDirect/index.asp?aid=
    1101&r=0.2662928

    > The publisher sent me a contract amendment requesting that I allow
    > sales of the book through  the “Rough-Cuts” program.  Before I sign
    > the amendment, I would like some advice from this forum.
    > “Cocoa Programming” is available in PDF format, but not many
    > electronic copies have been sold.  People seem to vastly prefer the
    > printed version.  _I_ use the electronic version all the time
    > because I can search it, etc.
    > Is there any interest in the PDF format pre-release version of
    > “Cocoa Design Patterns” ?
    > Is anyone interested in providing feedback that I can use to
    > improve the book ?
    >
    > The  “Rough-Cuts” program could help me produce a better book in the
    > end.  On the other hand, providing early access to the content could
    > prove embarrassing.  I would hate to make glaring mistakes in public
    > (like I undoubtedly have before) - Grin.  If you were me, would you
    > allow the book to be released through “Rough-Cuts” ?
    >
  • On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Erik Buck wrote:

    > The  “Rough-Cuts” program could help me produce a better book in the
    > end.  On the other hand, providing early access to the content could
    > prove embarrassing.  I would hate to make glaring mistakes in public
    > (like I undoubtedly have before) - Grin.  If you were me, would you
    > allow the book to be released through “Rough-Cuts” ?

    I would. I wouldn't think about embarrassment, or at least I would try
    to suppress any such thoughts. I'm sure your readers are familiar with
    the concept of a beta program, and understands the pros & cons. Like
    you said, most people will probably buy the printed version, and if
    you can make it better by getting feedback on the PDF version,
    everyone wins.

    j o a r
  • I'm definitely interested in the Rough-Cut PDF version and am very
    much looking forward to your book.  Although I've written a lot of
    code (mostly in c), I'm still an unsophisticated user of Cocoa, and
    it's the design pattern aspects that give me the most trouble.  As you
    mentioned in your earlier posting, "the relationships between the
    classes [in Apple's documentation] are not fully explained in the
    documentation for individual classes."

    Boyd

    On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Erik Buck wrote:

    > Addison-Wesley, the publisher of “Cocoa Design Patterns”, has a
    > “Rough-Cuts” program.  “Rough-Cuts” allows you to buy early access
    > to a book in PDF format while the book is still being developed and
    > then entitles you to download the final PDF version as well.  You
    > can read pre-release versions and provide feedback on the content.
    > As the author, I can then respond to the feedback by clarifying
    > information, adding more information, or just answering questions. http://support.safaribooksonline.com/display/1/articleDirect/index.asp?aid=
    1101&r=0.2662928

    > The publisher sent me a contract amendment requesting that I allow
    > sales of the book through  the “Rough-Cuts” program.  Before I sign
    > the amendment, I would like some advice from this forum.
    > “Cocoa Programming” is available in PDF format, but not many
    > electronic copies have been sold.  People seem to vastly prefer the
    > printed version.  _I_ use the electronic version all the time
    > because I can search it, etc.
    > Is there any interest in the PDF format pre-release version of
    > “Cocoa Design Patterns” ?
    > Is anyone interested in providing feedback that I can use to
    > improve the book ?
    >
    > The  “Rough-Cuts” program could help me produce a better book in the
    > end.  On the other hand, providing early access to the content could
    > prove embarrassing.  I would hate to make glaring mistakes in public
    > (like I undoubtedly have before) - Grin.  If you were me, would you
    > allow the book to be released through “Rough-Cuts” ?
    >
  • Erik,

    I am definitely interested in seeing a rough version of the book. I
    prefer having books in paper form because they are more readable that
    way, but I would pay for the book in electronic form to get "beta
    access."

    Todd Ransom
    Return Self Software
    http://returnself.com

    On Jan 14, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Erik Buck wrote:

    > Addison-Wesley, the publisher of “Cocoa Design Patterns”, has a
    > “Rough-Cuts” program.  “Rough-Cuts” allows you to buy early access
    > to a book in PDF format while the book is still being developed and
    > then entitles you to download the final PDF version as well.  You
    > can read pre-release versions and provide feedback on the content.
    > As the author, I can then respond to the feedback by clarifying
    > information, adding more information, or just answering questions. http://support.safaribooksonline.com/display/1/articleDirect/index.asp?aid=
    1101&r=0.2662928

    > The publisher sent me a contract amendment requesting that I allow
    > sales of the book through  the “Rough-Cuts” program.  Before I sign
    > the amendment, I would like some advice from this forum.
    > “Cocoa Programming” is available in PDF format, but not many
    > electronic copies have been sold.  People seem to vastly prefer the
    > printed version.  _I_ use the electronic version all the time
    > because I can search it, etc.
    > Is there any interest in the PDF format pre-release version of
    > “Cocoa Design Patterns” ?
    > Is anyone interested in providing feedback that I can use to
    > improve the book ?
    >
    > The  “Rough-Cuts” program could help me produce a better book in the
    > end.  On the other hand, providing early access to the content could
    > prove embarrassing.  I would hate to make glaring mistakes in public
    > (like I undoubtedly have before) - Grin.  If you were me, would you
    > allow the book to be released through “Rough-Cuts” ?
  • Erik:

      If *I* were *me* I'd beg you to allow it. Nobody likes making
    glaring public mistakes, but the best developers on this list do it
    often. ;-) We have to have the guts to be wrong now and again and to
    say, "oops! disregard!".

      I blame alcohol.

    --
    I.S.
  • Hi Eric,

    After going through the release of several other books (in the java
    space) without this kind of feedback mechanism I'd say whole heartedly
    that you should go for it. Don't let yourself think about what you
    might have wrong now, its much better to find it early and fix it than
    to have to update the errata page with the publisher (which only 5% of
    your readers will ever find).

    I am about to go 'beta' with the Pragmatic Programmers (a book on Core
    Animation). The PragProg guys 'beta' program sounds generally similar
    to what you describe.

    http://www.pragprog.com/frequently-asked-questions/beta-books

    Their description might provide some additional motivation for you to
    go for it.

    I'm really excited about the benefits of having someone look at my
    book before the ink hits the paper and its too late...

    Anyway my advice is to go for it, the book will be better because of it.

    Best of luck to you!

    TTFN,

    -bd-
    http://bill.dudney.net/roller/objc

    On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:25 AM, Erik Buck wrote:

    > Addison-Wesley, the publisher of “Cocoa Design Patterns”, has a
    > “Rough-Cuts” program.  “Rough-Cuts” allows you to buy early access
    > to a book in PDF format while the book is still being developed and
    > then entitles you to download the final PDF version as well.  You
    > can read pre-release versions and provide feedback on the content.
    > As the author, I can then respond to the feedback by clarifying
    > information, adding more information, or just answering questions. http://support.safaribooksonline.com/display/1/articleDirect/index.asp?aid=
    1101&r=0.2662928

    > The publisher sent me a contract amendment requesting that I allow
    > sales of the book through  the “Rough-Cuts” program.  Before I sign
    > the amendment, I would like some advice from this forum.
    > “Cocoa Programming” is available in PDF format, but not many
    > electronic copies have been sold.  People seem to vastly prefer the
    > printed version.  _I_ use the electronic version all the time
    > because I can search it, etc.
    > Is there any interest in the PDF format pre-release version of
    > “Cocoa Design Patterns” ?
    > Is anyone interested in providing feedback that I can use to
    > improve the book ?
    >
    > The  “Rough-Cuts” program could help me produce a better book in the
    > end.  On the other hand, providing early access to the content could
    > prove embarrassing.  I would hate to make glaring mistakes in public
    > (like I undoubtedly have before) - Grin.  If you were me, would you
    > allow the book to be released through “Rough-Cuts” ?
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