What text editor do you use?

  • Hello everyone,

    I need a fast, reliable, text editor. A simple one.

    I would use TextMate but I get errors in my text, literally, and all
    sorts of crazy stuff.

    I've tried SubEthaEdit but I don't have colleuges to communicate with,
    rendering the biggest features in SubEthaEdit useless.

    Xcode is good but too slow.

    There is one other criteria it has to match. It needs to be able to
    have multiple documents in one window. Like TextMate's drawer where
    you can add files and stuff. I need to be able to edit the text files
    in a whole directory without opening each one individually.

    Many thanks, Alan

    PS. I just tried Forgedit but there are no keyboard shortcuts to move
    up/down the file list. You also have to double-click on a file to edit
    it. No good.

    --
    // Quotes from yours truly -------------------------
    "You don't forget, you just don't remember."
    "Maturity resides in the mind."
    "Silence is the Universe's greatest gift."
    "When the World realizes that religion really is unimportant, then it
    shall evolve."
  • Hi Alan,

    I use Emacs.  Should meet your criteria.

    david
    --------
    David Hill
    <drh...>
    --------
    Simplicity, patience, compassion. These three are your greatest
    treasures  (Tao Te Ching #67)
    ---------

    On Oct 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Alan Smith wrote:

    > Hello everyone,
    >
    > I need a fast, reliable, text editor. A simple one.
    >
    > I would use TextMate but I get errors in my text, literally, and all
    > sorts of crazy stuff.
    >
    > I've tried SubEthaEdit but I don't have colleuges to communicate with,
    > rendering the biggest features in SubEthaEdit useless.
    >
    > Xcode is good but too slow.
    >
    > There is one other criteria it has to match. It needs to be able to
    > have multiple documents in one window. Like TextMate's drawer where
    > you can add files and stuff. I need to be able to edit the text files
    > in a whole directory without opening each one individually.
    >
    > Many thanks, Alan
    >
    > PS. I just tried Forgedit but there are no keyboard shortcuts to move
    > up/down the file list. You also have to double-click on a file to edit
    > it. No good.
    >
    > --
    > // Quotes from yours truly -------------------------
    > "You don't forget, you just don't remember."
    > "Maturity resides in the mind."
    > "Silence is the Universe's greatest gift."
    > "When the World realizes that religion really is unimportant, then it
    > shall evolve."
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    >
  • Smultron might fit your needs.

    -Jonathan Grynspan

    On 21-Oct-06, at 1:36 PM, Alan Smith wrote:

    > Hello everyone,
    >
    > I need a fast, reliable, text editor. A simple one.
    >
    > I would use TextMate but I get errors in my text, literally, and all
    > sorts of crazy stuff.
    >
    > I've tried SubEthaEdit but I don't have colleuges to communicate with,
    > rendering the biggest features in SubEthaEdit useless.
    >
    > Xcode is good but too slow.
    >
    > There is one other criteria it has to match. It needs to be able to
    > have multiple documents in one window. Like TextMate's drawer where
    > you can add files and stuff. I need to be able to edit the text files
    > in a whole directory without opening each one individually.
    >
    > Many thanks, Alan
    >
    > PS. I just tried Forgedit but there are no keyboard shortcuts to move
    > up/down the file list. You also have to double-click on a file to edit
    > it. No good.
    >
    > --
    > // Quotes from yours truly -------------------------
    > "You don't forget, you just don't remember."
    > "Maturity resides in the mind."
    > "Silence is the Universe's greatest gift."
    > "When the World realizes that religion really is unimportant, then it
    > shall evolve."
    > _______________________________________________
    > MacOSX-dev mailing list
    > <MacOSX-dev...>
    > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev
  • I have no intention of starting a flame war. This is intended as
    humor only.

    From the Carpel Tunnel FAQ: http://www.tifaq.com/archive/
    carpal_info.txt

    "The most well-known hacker in our community who has this problem is
    Richard Stallman, who no longer can type at all.  For at least a year
    or more, he has had hired typists to whom he dictates everything."

    For those of you unfamiliar with his work, Richard Stallman is the
    creator of emacs.

    - Sam

    On Oct 21, 2006, at 12:46 PM, David Hill wrote:

    > Hi Alan,
    >
    > I use Emacs.  Should meet your criteria.
    >
    > david
    > --------
    > David Hill
    > <drh...>
    > --------
    > Simplicity, patience, compassion. These three are your greatest
    > treasures  (Tao Te Ching #67)
    > ---------
    >
    >
    > On Oct 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Alan Smith wrote:
    >
    >> Hello everyone,
    >>
    >> I need a fast, reliable, text editor. A simple one.
    >>
    >> I would use TextMate but I get errors in my text, literally, and all
    >> sorts of crazy stuff.
    >>
    >> I've tried SubEthaEdit but I don't have colleuges to communicate
    >> with,
    >> rendering the biggest features in SubEthaEdit useless.
    >>
    >> Xcode is good but too slow.
    >>
    >> There is one other criteria it has to match. It needs to be able to
    >> have multiple documents in one window. Like TextMate's drawer where
    >> you can add files and stuff. I need to be able to edit the text files
    >> in a whole directory without opening each one individually.
    >>
    >> Many thanks, Alan
    >>
    >> PS. I just tried Forgedit but there are no keyboard shortcuts to move
    >> up/down the file list. You also have to double-click on a file to
    >> edit
    >> it. No good.
    >>
    >> --
    >> // Quotes from yours truly -------------------------
    >> "You don't forget, you just don't remember."
    >> "Maturity resides in the mind."
    >> "Silence is the Universe's greatest gift."
    >> "When the World realizes that religion really is unimportant, then it
    >> shall evolve."
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> MacOSX-dev mailing list
    >> <MacOSX-dev...>
    >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev
    >>
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  • On Oct 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Alan Smith wrote:

    > I would use TextMate but I get errors in my text, literally, and all
    > sorts of crazy stuff.

    Huh?

        - Scott
  • On Oct 21, 2006, at  3:58 PM, Scott Stevenson wrote:
    > On Oct 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Alan Smith wrote:
    >> I would use TextMate but I get errors in my text, literally, and all
    >> sorts of crazy stuff.
    >
    > Huh?

    I thought the same thing when I read that. I'm a TextMate convert. It
    does a pretty good job. I only wish it had a vim mode (which it
    might; I just don't know yet).

    As for an editor that is a) ubiquitous and b) easy for me, I use vim/
    gvim.

    -daniel
    --
    http://www.hedrick.org/daniel?sig
  • On Oct 21, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Alan Smith wrote:

    > I need a fast, reliable, text editor. A simple one.

    You might want to take a look at TextWrangler (free!), or its big
    brother BBEdit.

    <http://www.barebones.com/index.shtml>

    -Dave
    --
    When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people I know who
    have gone to a better world, I am moved to lead a different life.
    -- Mark Twain
  • On 21 Oct 2006, at 18:36, Alan Smith wrote:
    > I would use TextMate but I get errors in my text, literally, and all
    > sorts of crazy stuff.

    What does that mean in practice? I consider TM one of the main
    reasons for using a Mac these days - and have no significant problems
    with it.

    --
    Andy Armstrong, hexten.net
  • On 21 Oct 2006, at 18:46, David Hill wrote:

    > Hi Alan,
    >
    > I use Emacs.  Should meet your criteria.

    So do I, but emacs is far from simple.  That's one of its key
    benefits for me.

    --
    Graham J Lee
    http://www.thaesofereode.info/
  • On Oct 21, 2006, at 2:49 PM, Andy Armstrong wrote:

    >> I would use TextMate but I get errors in my text, literally, and all
    >> sorts of crazy stuff.
    >
    > What does that mean in practice? I consider TM one of the main
    > reasons for using a Mac these days - and have no significant
    > problems with it.

    It occurred to me he might have the editor in the wrong language mode.

    If he opens a C file and the language mode is set to "HTML" (at the
    bottom of the document window), then all of the operators would
    appear in red because they look like improper HTML entities.

        - Scott
  • Well, the basic stuff is pretty simple.  I learned the small number
    of basic commands in about 10 minutes when I started way back, from a
    mentor, and the Mac version is so nice in that it offers quite a few
    direct manipulation extras.

    And there is pretty comprehensive on-line help, plus a decent manual
    available from the Free Software Foundation.

    > ... emacs is far from simple.  That's one of its key benefits for me.

    Yes, and you can work up gradually.  Saves many keystrokes & other
    forms of effort.

    Bit unfair of Sam K. to suggest Richard Stallman's carpal tunnel
    problem arose from the use of (or invention of) Emacs ;-)  But no
    flames -- I agree!

    david

    --------

    On Oct 21, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Graham J Lee wrote:

    > On 21 Oct 2006, at 18:46, David Hill wrote:
    >
    >> Hi Alan,
    >>
    >> I use Emacs.  Should meet your criteria.
    >
    > So do I, but emacs is far from simple.  That's one of its key
    > benefits for me.
    >
    > --
    > Graham J Lee
    > http://www.thaesofereode.info/
    >
    >
  • On 22/10/2006, at 3:06 AM, Alan Smith wrote:
    > I need a fast, reliable, text editor. A simple one.

    I use 'joe', which is a Unix text editor that runs inside Terminal,
    but that's because I'm old and set in my ways.

    > I would use TextMate but I get errors in my text, literally, and all
    > sorts of crazy stuff.

    Check what language mode you're in... there's no way that TextMate
    has problems like that.

    --
      <spwhite...>
  • Alright! Many thanks to all of you!

    TextWrangler seemed to be the most mentioned one so I'm trying it out
    now. So far so good and it can handle multiple files the way I like.
    ;)

    I've downloaded emacs and I'll try that tomorrow.

    To answer the many wondering about my comment on TextMate:

    When I said literally, I meant that Unix errors appeared right where I
    was typing and were inserted into my text. They were long strings and
    since this didn't impress me I didn't take note of what the errors
    were, the only thing I can recall was the fact that they said
    something about bash near the beginning.

    TextMate was/is too slow for my liking. I would be typing something like this:

    results = [[NSMutableArray alloc]…

    And then I'd finish it off but wouldn't realize the mistake until
    TextMate finished flashing the first ending square bracket.

    …it in];

    This was because the previous bracket was being looked for and then it
    was flashed. During that time I was still typing but didn't know I had
    typed the keys out of order because they weren't on-screen yet.

    All those of you who swear by TextMate, continue to do so. If it works
    for you, keep it that way. I don't want to cause trouble because you
    like TextMate and I don't.

    Again, many thanks.
    Cheers, Alan

    --
    // Quotes from yours truly -------------------------
    "You don't forget, you just don't remember."
    "Maturity resides in the mind."
    "Silence is the Universe's greatest gift."
    "When the World realizes that religion really is unimportant, then it
    shall evolve."
  • On Oct 21, 2006, at 8:04 PM, Alan Smith wrote:

    > When I said literally, I meant that Unix errors appeared right where I
    > was typing and were inserted into my text. They were long strings and
    > since this didn't impress me I didn't take note of what the errors
    > were, the only thing I can recall was the fact that they said
    > something about bash near the beginning.

    I think you probably hit control-R by mistake, which causes the
    current line to be executed on the command line and inserts the
    output inline.

    Xcode does the exact same thing, in fact.

    > This was because the previous bracket was being looked for and then it
    > was flashed. During that time I was still typing but didn't know I had
    > typed the keys out of order because they weren't on-screen yet.

    It's extremely unusual to be able to outpace TextMate's text drawing.
    Either you type inhumanly fast or you're on a Performa 640?  :)

    > All those of you who swear by TextMate, continue to do so. If it works
    > for you, keep it that way. I don't want to cause trouble because you
    > like TextMate and I don't.

    That's true, however, if you claim a piece of software has a very
    serious problem, it's worth exploring what it is (which you did) so
    it doesn't reflect poorly on the author.

    We cleared up the first issue, but I'm not sure what to make of the
    slow text output you describe above.

        - Scott
  • On 22 Oct 2006, at 04:04, Alan Smith wrote:
    > To answer the many wondering about my comment on TextMate:
    >
    > When I said literally, I meant that Unix errors appeared right where I
    > was typing and were inserted into my text. They were long strings and
    > since this didn't impress me I didn't take note of what the errors
    > were, the only thing I can recall was the fact that they said
    > something about bash near the beginning.
    >
    > TextMate was/is too slow for my liking. I would be typing something
    > like this:
    >
    > results = [[NSMutableArray alloc]…
    >
    > And then I'd finish it off but wouldn't realize the mistake until
    > TextMate finished flashing the first ending square bracket.
    >
    > …it in];
    >
    > This was because the previous bracket was being looked for and then it
    > was flashed. During that time I was still typing but didn't know I had
    > typed the keys out of order because they weren't on-screen yet.
    >
    > All those of you who swear by TextMate, continue to do so. If it works
    > for you, keep it that way. I don't want to cause trouble because you
    > like TextMate and I don't.

    Indeed.

    The problems you describe are certainly unlike my experience of TM
    though - and TM is good enough that it might be worth trying to get
    to the bottom of them. Allan Odgaard (the author of TM) is responsive
    to bug reports - I've Bcc'd him on this mail so he can jump in and
    respond if he'd like to.

    --
    Andy Armstrong, hexten.net
  • Am 21.10.2006 um 19:36 schrieb Alan Smith:

    > I need a fast, reliable, text editor. A simple one.

    So here's my individual hope-for-feature-matrix, which i created some
    time ago. Mind that i work on python & objective-C-code mostly.

    Features i pray for :: Projekt Mgmn. | Code-Folding | comfort&speed
    in S&R+RegEx | Syntax-Coloring | snappy GUI | type ahed&completion |
    flexibility(addOns by users)
    BBEdit            stoped hoping        yes            excellent                    good            yes                well, no
    possible, but limited
    TextWrangler    stoped hoping        yes            comfort good, slow on big files
    good            yes                no                     possible?
    TextMate        great            yes,(python still    ok, slow on large files            good
    yes                yes, cld.be better        great
            hoping)
    jEdit            great            yes                ok, slow on large files            good            well,it
    swings;-)    not used                great
    joe,pico & friends    no                no?,not sure        quick, less comfortable        ok
    console,quick    no idea                not, that i know of

    Maybe this is helpfull for one to figure out what the individual key-
    features are. You'll surely miss one or the other criteria here,
    maybe it's documentation cvs/svn-access, or key-remapping
    capabillities. At the moment i use TextMate and i'm happy to say,
    that improves by user contribution week by week. I used BBEdit a lot
    before and stil miss the abillity to remap any key to any function.
    I'm certainly unhappy about the code-folding with python in TM as i
    can't use it, 'cos the latest python-syntax changes are not yet
    integrated into the python-modul. This will surely change someday -
    still hoping. If i could merge TM, jEdit and BBedit somehow i surely
    would use the outcome. For now my choice is TextMate and i hope the
    book on TextMate will be published soon, as i believe many more
    usefull shortcuts are already there, but somewhat invisible to me.
    The possibility for users to contribute a modul that makes special
    tasks easy is unbeaten e.g. in jEdit, which i used for quite a
    while,too. You'll find anything usefull from db-access to jython-
    console etc. Expanding BBEdit's features is somehow possible, but i
    assume too difficult to do for most of us -  maybe thats why only a
    few add-Ons exist.
    Pls, don't blame me for not including emacs, SubEthaEdit or any
    editor you like and use, 'cos i've basically no experience with
    these ;-)

    Greets, Andreas

    ---
    'Politics is Hollywood for the ugly people.' ( Mark Twain)
  • On 22 Oct 2006, at 21:08, Andreas Schöller wrote:

    > For now my choice is TextMate and i hope the book on TextMate will
    > be published soon, as i believe many more usefull shortcuts are
    > already there, but somewhat invisible to me.

    James Edward Gray II's book (TextMate - Power Editing for the Mac) is
    in beta, but Pragmatic are offering the usual 'buy now, get PDF' offer.

    http://pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/textmate/index.html

    Paul
  • I understand that SubEthaEdit has collaboration features that one may
    not use, but I find its text editing so good that I went out and
    registered it pretty soon after it went shareware.  I really like it.

    Cheers,
    Andrew

    On 21 Oct 2006, at 10:36, Alan Smith wrote:

    > Hello everyone,
    >
    > I need a fast, reliable, text editor. A simple one.
    >
    > I would use TextMate but I get errors in my text, literally, and all
    > sorts of crazy stuff.
    >
    > I've tried SubEthaEdit but I don't have colleuges to communicate with,
    > rendering the biggest features in SubEthaEdit useless.
    >
    > Xcode is good but too slow.
    >
    > There is one other criteria it has to match. It needs to be able to
    > have multiple documents in one window. Like TextMate's drawer where
    > you can add files and stuff. I need to be able to edit the text files
    > in a whole directory without opening each one individually.
    >
    > Many thanks, Alan
    >
    > PS. I just tried Forgedit but there are no keyboard shortcuts to move
    > up/down the file list. You also have to double-click on a file to edit
    > it. No good.
    >
    > --
    > // Quotes from yours truly -------------------------
    > "You don't forget, you just don't remember."
    > "Maturity resides in the mind."
    > "Silence is the Universe's greatest gift."
    > "When the World realizes that religion really is unimportant, then it
    > shall evolve."
    > _______________________________________________
    > MacOSX-dev mailing list
    > <MacOSX-dev...>
    > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev
  • On Oct 22, 2006, at 1:08 PM, Andreas Schöller wrote:

    > i use TextMate and i'm happy to say, that improves by user
    > contribution week by week. I used BBEdit a lot before and stil miss
    > the abillity to remap any key to any function

    You can certainly map any bundle function to any key, which covers
    most features.

    > I'm certainly unhappy about the code-folding with python in TM as i
    > can't use it, 'cos the latest python-syntax changes are not yet
    > integrated into the python-modul

    Might be in the svn repository?

    > as i believe many more usefull shortcuts are already there, but
    > somewhat invisible to me

    Try command-control-T, which brings up a searchable palette of all
    bundle items (shortcuts) which work in the current context.

        - Scott
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