Job opportunities in NYC

  • Sorry, but we are still looking to get more résumé's on the following job
    opportunities.

    Thanks,
    Tenzin

    Box Ltd. is a New York based multimedia company that focuses on the fashion,
    advertising, and photography industries. The company has over 250 clients
    where their work regularly appears on the covers and pages of major
    publications, television and cable networks, as well as some of the world¹s
    leading advertising campaigns. Boxwork Corporation, the digital division of
    Box Ltd., is responsible for Research, software development and digital
    image and Capture solutions.

    Boxwork has developed user friendly, intuitive hardware and software systems
    tailored to the needs of the photographic and graphic community. Many of
    these products and methods evolve from concepts developed internally and are
    heavy used throughout the company and with strategic partners. These
    solutions are entering the next phase to address automated systems,
    inefficient workflows, and unclear user interfaces in the open marketplace.
    Please visit www.boxwork.com <http://www.boxwork.com>  for more information
    on Job Opportunities.

    We are currently interviewing for the following job openings. Please send
    resumé¹s to:
    <tenzin...>


    Computer Graphics Software Engineer (full time position)

    We are looking for a Software Engineer with OpenGL experience that can
    implement creative ideas.

    Join a team of Software engineers that design commercial software in the
    field of digital photography, designing the human interface of the software
    with OpenGL on Mac OSX.

    Other job Qualifications:

    * Human Interface design
    * C/C++
    * Object-Oriented design
    * Interest in image processing
    * Good communication skills (reporting/documentation)

    Good but not required:

    * Mac OSX API¹s
    * Cocoa


    Client Server Software Engineer (full time position)

    This job opening is more specific to develop the next generation of our
    database client for our Image Assessment Management software solution.

    Job Qualifications include:

    * Cocoa/Objective-C
    * Multi-threading in Cocoa
    * MySQL
    * Java (to understand the older version of the software)
    * Good communication skills (reporting/documentation)


    Software Engineer (full time position)

    This job opening is more specific to assist in the different software¹s that
    are being developed at Boxwork.

    Job Qualifications include:

    * Cocoa/Objective-C
    * C/C++
    * Object-Oriented Design
    * Good communication skills (reporting/documentation)
    * Able to develop specific parts of the software by following strict
    guidelines


    Mathematician in the field of Image Processing (part time position)

    We are looking for a person with a strong math background that has done
    research in the field of image processing and more specific in the field of
    color and color correction. Needs to be able to develop algorithm¹s in the
    field of color correction transformations.

    Job Qualifications include:

    * College degree in Math
    * Must have proven record of research done in the color or image processing
    field
  • American developers beware of Box Ltd.

    They will call you up, "interview" you, ask you
    how to do certain things, then they will not hire
    you after they have taken your knowledge and
    skills - all without the common courtesy of even
    a return call or email letting you know that you
    didn't get the job.

    Mike

    At 1:25 PM -0400 9/18/06, Tenzin Wild wrote:
    > Sorry, but we are still looking to get more résumé's on the following job
    > opportunities.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Tenzin
    >
    > Box Ltd. is a New York based multimedia company that focuses on the fashion,
    > advertising, and photography industries. The company has over 250 clients
    > where their work regularly appears on the covers and pages of major
    > publications, television and cable networks, as well as some of the world's
    > leading advertising campaigns. Boxwork Corporation, the digital division of
    > Box Ltd., is responsible for Research, software development and digital
    > image and Capture solutions.
    >
    > Boxwork has developed user friendly, intuitive hardware and software systems
    > tailored to the needs of the photographic and graphic community. Many of
    > these products and methods evolve from concepts developed internally and are
    > heavy used throughout the company and with strategic partners. These
    > solutions are entering the next phase to address automated systems,
    > inefficient workflows, and unclear user interfaces in the open marketplace.
    > Please visit www.boxwork.com < http://www.boxwork.com >  for more information
    > on Job Opportunities.
    >
    > We are currently interviewing for the following job openings. Please send
    > resumé's to:
    > <tenzin...>
    >
    >
    > Computer Graphics Software Engineer (full time position)
    >
    > We are looking for a Software Engineer with OpenGL experience that can
    > implement creative ideas.
    >
    > Join a team of Software engineers that design commercial software in the
    > field of digital photography, designing the human interface of the software
    > with OpenGL on Mac OSX.
    >
    > Other job Qualifications:
    >
    > * Human Interface design
    > * C/C++
    > * Object-Oriented design
    > * Interest in image processing
    > * Good communication skills (reporting/documentation)
    >
    > Good but not required:
    >
    > * Mac OSX API's
    > * Cocoa
    >
    >
    > Client Server Software Engineer (full time position)
    >
    > This job opening is more specific to develop the next generation of our
    > database client for our Image Assessment Management software solution.
    >
    > Job Qualifications include:
    >
    > * Cocoa/Objective-C
    > * Multi-threading in Cocoa
    > * MySQL
    > * Java (to understand the older version of the software)
    > * Good communication skills (reporting/documentation)
    >
    >
    > Software Engineer (full time position)
    >
    > This job opening is more specific to assist in the different software's that
    > are being developed at Boxwork.
    >
    > Job Qualifications include:
    >
    > * Cocoa/Objective-C
    > * C/C++
    > * Object-Oriented Design
    > * Good communication skills (reporting/documentation)
    > * Able to develop specific parts of the software by following strict
    > guidelines
    >
    >
    > Mathematician in the field of Image Processing (part time position)
    >
    > We are looking for a person with a strong math background that has done
    > research in the field of image processing and more specific in the field of
    > color and color correction. Needs to be able to develop algorithm's in the
    > field of color correction transformations.
    >
    > Job Qualifications include:
    >
    > * College degree in Math
    > * Must have proven record of research done in the color or image processing
    > field
    >
    >
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  • On 9/25/06, Mike <lists...> wrote:
    > American developers beware of Box Ltd.
    >
    > They will call you up, "interview" you, ask you
    > how to do certain things, then they will not hire
    > you after they have taken your knowledge and
    > skills - all without the common courtesy of even
    > a return call or email letting you know that you
    > didn't get the job.

    Mike,

    Maybe I'm missing some details here, but how is this different from
    any other phone interview?

    --
    Tom Harrington
    <atomicbird...>
    AIM: atomicbird1
  • Tom:

      I took Mike's post to mean that they called and "consulted" (asked
    for specific how-tos) under the guise of an interview. In those
    cases, the "employer" never had any intention of hiring anyone, they
    just wanted free consultations.

      This predatory tactic is actually increasing in popularity, since
    it's clearly a cheap way for your own in-house developer(s) to get
    help on things that are over their heads. Sometimes it goes so far as
    "send us a sample of your work by solving this problem we've been
    having ...". Once they have your 'solution', they avoid your calls.

      Please note I'm NOT saying this is what's happening with Box Ltd.
    as I've had absolutely no dealings with them at all and have no
    knowledge of them beyond their annoyingly-numerous posts to these lists.

    --
    I.S.

    On Sep 26, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Tom Harrington wrote:

    > On 9/25/06, Mike <lists...> wrote:
    >> American developers beware of Box Ltd.
    >>
    >> They will call you up, "interview" you, ask you
    >> how to do certain things, then they will not hire
    >> you after they have taken your knowledge and
    >> skills - all without the common courtesy of even
    >> a return call or email letting you know that you
    >> didn't get the job.
    >
    > Mike,
    >
    > Maybe I'm missing some details here, but how is this different from
    > any other phone interview?
    >
    > --
    > Tom Harrington
    > <atomicbird...>
    > AIM: atomicbird1
    > _______________________________________________
    > MacOSX-dev mailing list
    > <MacOSX-dev...>
    > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev
  • To clear up the mystery of Box ltd.... We did stay in contact with Mike and
    notified him that we couldn't work with him as we found a suited person
    locally. However we came to realize that we need more help for our projects
    which is why we posted these various jobs (more specific), on this list
    again. We have gotten resumes from here and really appreciate the interest
    from you guys. As most of you like to work remotely it doesn't work out most
    of the time, as we are looking to build a strong team locally.
    Mike, in a phone interview questions need to be asked, though we didn't ask
    you for your opinion, help or suggestion to our product specifically. We
    merely wanted to understand if you were the right fit to the team. At that
    time you weren't. I am sorry that upset you. FYI I still have your resume
    here amongst new once.

    We are trying to consider as many candidates possible and that can be a long
    interviewing process. Before we ask for somebody's commitment and go through
    the trouble of relocating we are making sure that it is the perfect marriage
    for both, the company and the individual. We don't do such things as
    stealing somebody's ideas for our own product. We hire the people we like
    and pay them for their ideas.

    So we hope to receive more resumes to find the right match. It is obvious
    that it might be easier for a local person to just come bye and meet with us
    in person.

    If this list prefers not see any job postings from Box in the future, we
    will make sure we won't do so.

    Best,
    Tenzin

    On 9/26/06 4:08 PM, "I. Savant" <idiotsavant2005...> wrote:

    > Tom:
    >
    > I took Mike's post to mean that they called and "consulted" (asked
    > for specific how-tos) under the guise of an interview. In those
    > cases, the "employer" never had any intention of hiring anyone, they
    > just wanted free consultations.
    >
    > This predatory tactic is actually increasing in popularity, since
    > it's clearly a cheap way for your own in-house developer(s) to get
    > help on things that are over their heads. Sometimes it goes so far as
    > "send us a sample of your work by solving this problem we've been
    > having ...". Once they have your 'solution', they avoid your calls.
    >
    > Please note I'm NOT saying this is what's happening with Box Ltd.
    > as I've had absolutely no dealings with them at all and have no
    > knowledge of them beyond their annoyingly-numerous posts to these lists.
    >
    > --
    > I.S.
    >
    >
    > On Sep 26, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Tom Harrington wrote:
    >
    >> On 9/25/06, Mike <lists...> wrote:
    >>> American developers beware of Box Ltd.
    >>>
    >>> They will call you up, "interview" you, ask you
    >>> how to do certain things, then they will not hire
    >>> you after they have taken your knowledge and
    >>> skills - all without the common courtesy of even
    >>> a return call or email letting you know that you
    >>> didn't get the job.
    >>
    >> Mike,
    >>
    >> Maybe I'm missing some details here, but how is this different from
    >> any other phone interview?
    >>
    >> --
    >> Tom Harrington
    >> <atomicbird...>
    >> AIM: atomicbird1
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> MacOSX-dev mailing list
    >> <MacOSX-dev...>
    >> http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev
    >
    > _______________________________________________
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    >
  • It'd probably be better to post all your job openings online (you
    may have already) and post a summary (the job titles) and link.
    That's just my opinion - they all look kind of the same to me and the
    frequency is a bit much. Again, just *my opinion*, I don't speak for
    the list.

      Good luck filling the positions.

    --
    I.S.

    On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:18 PM, Tenzin Wild wrote:

    > If this list prefers not see any job postings from Box in the
    > future, we
    > will make sure we won't do so.
  • On Sep 26, 2006, at 2:59 PM, I. Savant wrote:

    > It'd probably be better to post all your job openings online (you
    > may have already) and post a summary (the job titles) and link.
    > That's just my opinion - they all look kind of the same to me and
    > the frequency is a bit much. Again, just *my opinion*, I don't
    > speak for the list.

    I do.  :)

    Cocoa job postings are encouraged. Just don't abuse it.

      - Scott
  • It's very different. The difference is the intent.

    When someone is genuinely interested in hiring someone, they might
    interview someone to gauge their technical skills. Exploitive
    interviews on the other hand are ones in which the company never has
    any intent of hiring you but rather sees your skills and needs your
    knowledge.

    One can typically tell when an interview is exploitive - when someone
    interviews you for three full hours, usually on one very specific
    technical subject (in this case how to write Core Image filters), and
    then as soon as they have the information you never hear from them
    again. Songbird did that to me regarding CD-recording because I used
    to be the Tech Lead on Toast. They did *three* "phone interviews"
    asking me how to do it. As soon as they got the info they needed they
    didn't even have the courtesy to return further inquires. 5-10 hours
    of free consulting was what it was - not "interviews".

    They key sign in most exploitive interviews is that you never hear
    from them again and they ignore your emails and phone calls. All of
    the above was the case with my Box phone interview in Feb.

    So many of these companies use cheap, unqualified labor, the workers
    can't do the jobs but experienced developers can, so the company
    tries to effect a knowledge transfer for free over the phone by
    staging a fake interview. Once the useless eater developer has the
    knowledge taken from the mind of the qualified developer, then the
    comapny says "take a hike" to the experienced developer because they
    are deemed too expensive. It's all part of trying to do IT at a very
    high level but at a very low cost.

    It's a scam really - trying to make obscene, abnormally high profits
    by in IT by getting decades of wisdom and knowledge for nothing.
    People appear to think that the .com boom is still going on or
    something......

    Mike

    At 1:21 PM -0600 9/26/06, Tom Harrington wrote:
    > On 9/25/06, Mike <lists...>  wrote:
    >> American developers beware of Box Ltd.
    >>
    >> They will call you up, "interview" you, ask you
    >> how to do certain things, then they will not hire
    >> you after they have taken your knowledge and
    >> skills - all without the common courtesy of even
    >> a return call or email letting you know that you
    >> didn't get the job.
    >
    > Mike,
    >
    > Maybe I'm missing some details here, but how is this different from
    > any other phone interview?
    >
    > --
    > Tom Harrington
    > <atomicbird...>
    > AIM: atomicbird1
    > _______________________________________________
    > MacOSX-dev mailing list
    > <MacOSX-dev...>
    > http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-dev
  • I appreciate and empathize with how you might have been taken
    advantage of in (it sounds like) more than one instance.  But
    information exchange is one of the "give and take" aspects of
    interviewing.  You have to choose how much *you* want to delve into a
    particular subject. If an interview turned into 5-10 hours of
    fixating on how to implement a CoreImage filter, then I think you
    might have served yourself well to just pick up and leave.

    I agree it's exploitative if they did this just to get some
    information out of you. But the sad part is that they could spend a
    few hundred dollars on ADC technical incidents and come away with the
    same information legitimately. I have a hard time imagine any company
    succeeding with these alleged practices.

    Anyway, I guess it would be different if I was really jonesing for a
    job, but in the game of interviewing, I sort of feel like the time
    spent, even if it's 5-10 hours, is all part of the sport. If they got
    some good information out of you, so be it.

    Daniel

    On Sep 26, 2006, at 9:36 PM, Mike wrote:

    > It's very different. The difference is the intent.
    >
    > When someone is genuinely interested in hiring someone, they might
    > interview someone to gauge their technical skills. Exploitive
    > interviews on the other hand are ones in which the company never
    > has any intent of hiring you but rather sees your skills and needs
    > your knowledge.
    >
    > One can typically tell when an interview is exploitive - when
    > someone interviews you for three full hours, usually on one very
    > specific technical subject (in this case how to write Core Image
    > filters), and then as soon as they have the information you never
    > hear from them again. Songbird did that to me regarding CD-
    > recording because I used to be the Tech Lead on Toast. They did
    > *three* "phone interviews" asking me how to do it. As soon as they
    > got the info they needed they didn't even have the courtesy to
    > return further inquires. 5-10 hours of free consulting was what it
    > was - not "interviews".
    >
    > They key sign in most exploitive interviews is that you never hear
    > from them again and they ignore your emails and phone calls. All of
    > the above was the case with my Box phone interview in Feb.
    >
    > So many of these companies use cheap, unqualified labor, the
    > workers can't do the jobs but experienced developers can, so the
    > company tries to effect a knowledge transfer for free over the
    > phone by staging a fake interview. Once the useless eater developer
    > has the knowledge taken from the mind of the qualified developer,
    > then the comapny says "take a hike" to the experienced developer
    > because they are deemed too expensive. It's all part of trying to
    > do IT at a very high level but at a very low cost.
    >
    > It's a scam really - trying to make obscene, abnormally high
    > profits by in IT by getting decades of wisdom and knowledge for
    > nothing. People appear to think that the .com boom is still going
    > on or something......
    >
    > Mike
  • On Sep 26, 2006, at 6:36 PM, Mike wrote:

    > It's very different. The difference is the intent.
    >
    > When someone is genuinely interested in hiring someone, they might
    > interview someone to gauge their technical skills. Exploitive
    > interviews on the other hand are ones in which the company never
    > has any intent of hiring you but rather sees your skills and needs
    > your knowledge.

    What a week. I get to act as moderator in two separate posts.

    Anyway, I think have the gist of this covered. Mike feels this
    company misused the interview format, and a company rep stepped up
    and defended the interview. We've heard from both sides and I think
    the time to take it elsewhere is now.

    If you have anything else to say, email me, not the list.

    Thanks,

        - Scott
  • That is clearly a misrepresentation Tenzen of what happened in my
    case. And I think I am entitled to correct your inaccuracies in a
    public forum so that I have a chance to set the record straight.

    I spoke with you for at least an hour on the phone and I believe with
    one of your (imported) developers for substantially longer than that
    - close to 3 hours I think. I remember it specifically because I use
    prepaid cellular and when you started ignoring me after that I
    remember thinking what a waste of money it was for me to spend $40 of
    prepaid cell time on an exploitive interview. Your developer whom I
    spoke with over the phone asked me specifically about writing Core
    Image filters and how to do it - for close to 3 hours. That goes
    beyond just "seeing if someone is the right fit". The person clearly
    had no knowledge of Core Image filters and clearly was "interviewing"
    me to get my knowledge on how to do it.

    I had specifically told you that I was ready to relocate to NYC for
    the job and that it wouldn't be a problem.

    But what is really questionable is why, if I wasn't the right fit,
    did you a) go with someone locally, and b) pretty much ignore all
    further emails and inquires from me as to why I wasn't the right fit.
    You never explained that and didn't seem interested in doing so after
    repeated request by me. I've been a Mac developer for 17 years, lived
    and worked in Silicon Valley for 14 years, worked at Apple 10 years
    ago, and have written and shipped 12 successful commercial Mac
    products. I seriously doubt you found a Mac programmer locally in NYC
    who was a better fit than I was.

    Now, if "being a better fit" in this case means hiring an imported
    worker without the necessary skills illegally at 1/5 the market wage,
    falsifying the LCA at the DOL saying that you couldn't find any
    "qualified workers" for the job, and then scrambling to call someone
    like me up to make sure that your new worker did have the skills
    claimed, then in that case you probably were able to "find someone
    who was a better fit" in NYC. Perhaps I "wasn't a good fit" because
    you didn't want to pay the market rate for someone with my skills.
    Companies all across the U.S. are doing this and it's not only
    illegal, it's criminal fraud. In fact, now that I think about it I
    really should have the DOJ launch an investigation into Box's hiring
    practices and what actually happened in order to see if any fraud was
    committed and who was actually hired for the position.

    Songbird in San Francisco did the very same thing to me about the
    same time earlier this year. The project lead called me up saying he
    was very excited about my qualifications and they wanted to bring me
    in for an in-person interview, etc. etc. He called me up and asked me
    about how to do CD-R recording on the Mac because I was once the Tech
    Lead for Toast. He had his junior developer sitting next to him as he
    spoke and when he asked me if there was an API for doing disc
    recording on the Mac I told him there was. I heard him say to his
    junior developer "There is an API for doing it". As soon as he got
    that information he ended the interview and never returned my phone
    calls. Of course there never was any in-person interview because his
    original intent was to deceive me into giving up information he
    wanted. Intent to deceive is fraud and it's a criminal offense in the
    United States.

    This is happening all over this industry - mostly by foreign
    nationals who want America's IT expertise because they have delusions
    of being IT hotshots or exporting America's Silicon Valley success
    and image to their home countries - which they are failing miserably
    at by the way.

    I've seen this happen so many times. A company will startup usually
    with English or Indian managers and lots and lots of usually imported
    Indian and Chinese programmers who come to work in the U.S. on work
    visas for next to nothing. Since these new developers are usually
    totally incompetent, they can't do the work. But the owners and
    managers of the companies don't want to pay Americans what we are
    worth for our extremely valuable knowledge. So the scam of fake
    interviews has developed in which a company's "developer" will do a
    search on Dice or other job sites for the knowledge they need, call
    up the person with the skills for an "interview" and then once they
    have the knowledge TRANSFERRED into the heads of the incompetents,
    never talk to the "interviewee" again.

    Fortunately word is getting around about sleaze companies like Box
    and Songbird which pull these stunts and people like myself are
    simply hanging up on them.

    I would strongly suggest to all the other American developers on this
    list that we start charging $250 an hour for phone interviews and
    $500/hr + travel for in-person interviews to discourage this kind of
    scam.

    And by the way Tenzen, Silicon Valley was built over a 50-year period
    using nearly 100% American labor. The pie-in-the-sky dreams that most
    spreadsheet jockeys have to become the next Microsoft usually never
    work out. The 90s IT boom was a once in a 50-year event. The odds
    are, most people are never going to be the next Microsoft. Since
    American workers have been kicked out of the IT industry, America
    continues to lose IT jobs. You people are destroying this industry
    and this country with your cheap-labor scams.

    In the end you get what you pay for.

    Mike

    At 5:18 PM -0400 9/26/06, Tenzin Wild wrote:
    > To clear up the mystery of Box ltd.... We did stay in contact with Mike and
    > notified him that we couldn't work with him as we found a suited person
    > locally. However we came to realize that we need more help for our projects
    > which is why we posted these various jobs (more specific), on this list
    > again. We have gotten resumes from here and really appreciate the interest
    > from you guys. As most of you like to work remotely it doesn't work out most
    > of the time, as we are looking to build a strong team locally.
    > Mike, in a phone interview questions need to be asked, though we didn't ask
    > you for your opinion, help or suggestion to our product specifically. We
    > merely wanted to understand if you were the right fit to the team. At that
    > time you weren't. I am sorry that upset you. FYI I still have your resume
    > here amongst new once.
    >
    > We are trying to consider as many candidates possible and that can be a long
    > interviewing process. Before we ask for somebody's commitment and go through
    > the trouble of relocating we are making sure that it is the perfect marriage
    > for both, the company and the individual. We don't do such things as
    > stealing somebody's ideas for our own product. We hire the people we like
    > and pay them for their ideas.
    >
    > So we hope to receive more resumes to find the right match. It is obvious
    > that it might be easier for a local person to just come bye and meet with us
    > in person.
    >
    > If this list prefers not see any job postings from Box in the future, we
    > will make sure we won't do so.
    >
    > Best,
    > Tenzin
    >
    >
    > On 9/26/06 4:08 PM, "I. Savant" <idiotsavant2005...>  wrote:
    >
    >> Tom:
    >>
    >> I took Mike's post to mean that they called and "consulted" (asked
    >> for specific how-tos) under the guise of an interview. In those
    >> cases, the "employer" never had any intention of hiring anyone, they
    >> just wanted free consultations.
    >>
    >> This predatory tactic is actually increasing in popularity, since
    >> it's clearly a cheap way for your own in-house developer(s) to get
    >> help on things that are over their heads. Sometimes it goes so far as
    >> "send us a sample of your work by solving this problem we've been
    >> having ...". Once they have your 'solution', they avoid your calls.
    >>
    >> Please note I'm NOT saying this is what's happening with Box Ltd.
    >> as I've had absolutely no dealings with them at all and have no
    >> knowledge of them beyond their annoyingly-numerous posts to these lists.
    >>
    >> --
    >> I.S.
    >>
    >>
    >> On Sep 26, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Tom Harrington wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 9/25/06, Mike <lists...> wrote:
    >>>> American developers beware of Box Ltd.
    >>>>
    >>>> They will call you up, "interview" you, ask you
    >>>> how to do certain things, then they will not hire
    >>>> you after they have taken your knowledge and
    >>>> skills - all without the common courtesy of even
    >>>> a return call or email letting you know that you
    >>>> didn't get the job.
    >>>
    >>> Mike,
    >>>
    >>> Maybe I'm missing some details here, but how is this different from
    >>> any other phone interview?
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Tom Harrington
    >>> <atomicbird...>
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  • On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Mike wrote:

    > That is clearly a misrepresentation Tenzen of what happened in my
    > case. And I think I am entitled to correct your inaccuracies in a
    > public forum so that I have a chance to set the record straight.

    Mike,

    In order to participate on this list, you must listen to my
    instructions as the moderator. I think that's just common sense and
    common courtesy.

    My instruction now is to drop this issue and take it off-list. If you
    post about this again, your posting privileges will be suspended. If
    you have any further questions, contact me.

    Thank you,

        - Scott
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